Comments Thread For: Bivol is Waiting on Marcus Browne, Not Thinking About Beterbiev

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This past Saturday night, International Boxing Federation (IBF) light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev kept his streak of knockouts going strong, when he stopped voluntary challenger Radivoje Kalajzdic in the fifth round.

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[KrusherStan]

And Marcus Browne is waiting on Gvozdyk lol Btw, isn't Browne fighting in late June in the undercard of Jermall? I smell ducking from Bivol. He wants none of Beterbeast.

[angkag]

And Marcus Browne is waiting on Gvozdyk lol Btw, isn't Browne fighting in late June in the undercard of Jermall? I smell ducking from Bivol. He wants none of Beterbeast.

Still can't figure out why Browne is fighting Pascal when he has a shot at either Gvozdyk or Bivol anyway. I think he's got a better shot with Bivol than Gvozdyk, but he needs to step up and stop defending his '1st-in-line challenger' belt. Hopefully it happens before year-end.

[Tatabanya]

Still can't figure out why Browne is fighting Pascal when he has a shot at either Gvozdyk or Bivol anyway. I think he's got a better shot with Bivol than Gvozdyk, but he needs to step up and stop defending his '1st-in-line challenger' belt. Hopefully it happens before year-end.

Browne gets knocked out by both Bivol and Gvozdyk (and Beterbiev as well). That's why. At least he can win another fight against a semi-corpse.

[Boxing Logic]

And Marcus Browne is waiting on Gvozdyk lol Btw, isn't Browne fighting in late June in the undercard of Jermall? I smell ducking from Bivol. He wants none of Beterbeast.

Yeah he's waiting on Gvozdyk... to get old. Otherwise after Gvozdyk fought in March, Browne would have pushed for that fight in the summer, instead of fighting old Jean Pascal. Remember, Browne already ducked Gvozdyk once. https://www.boxingscene.com/gvozdyk-...inator--122420. That was to delay it until this point. Now, they have to do it again for another year or two until he'll actually decline at 33+. If you still don't know how Al Haymon does business in situations like this, then you're just not an informed boxing fan, like maybe you're new or something, because this is par for the course the entire last decade in the sport.

From boxingscene just two days ago:

"Oleksandr Gvozdyk scored a 5th round knockout of France’s Doudou Ngumbu in a voluntary title defense this past March. The unbeaten World champion from ******* is due a mandatory defense versus Browne. However, Browne is taking on a stay-busy fight versus faded former champ Jean Pascal in June and has taken little initiative in enforcing his mandatory status, which could free up Gvozdyk for any fight of his choosing."

Browne is a PBC fighter. With a few exceptions, they do not "wait" to fight the best, they "wait" until the best are old and are no longer the best, until they fall down to the B-level that these PBC fighters can compete on.

Marcus Browne lost to Hot Rod, who just got dominated for 5 rounds vs an old Beterbiev. Gvozdyk would have to give the worst performance of his career for Browne to win. They are not waiting on Gvozdyk over Bivol, they don't want to fight either. Bivol is 28 years old, so that's out completely. He's the same age as Browne. That fight will probably never happen because how is Browne ever going to fight him once he's past prime if Browne is the same age? Gvozdyk at 32 years old is the mark. Maybe pay for some of those $30,000 advertisements Teddy Atlas talks about in the sanctioning body ****zines, which in this case would be the WBC, so they don't order the mandatory until Gvozdyk is 34, and then Browne will have a shot to at least win 4 rounds and get the decision.

But right now? In my opinion, no, ***** no, Browne (and/or his team, it makes no difference) doesn't want that fight. If he did, he wouldn't have waited until over halfway through the year to fight an old Jean Pascal. Stuff like that is done to stall fights. Decline age in boxing is 32-33 for light heavyweights. Recent examples, Kovalev fell off a cliff at that age, and Ward retired, just for reference. Gvozdyk is 32. So stalling that fight will pay real dividends for Browne and Al Haymon. It's not like they have to stall it 4 years like they did with Stevenson-Alvarez so Stevenson would keep the belt. They just have to stall it 12 to 24 months and they're in business. Browne going 7-8 months between a bull**** fight, and then another 7-8 months before the next one, is a great way to do that. That's 14-16 months killed just like that. The Deontay Wilder strategy in terms of Klitschko.

It's like Ellerbe said, they think years in advance. They may not even be looking at Gvozdyk or Bivol as fights for Browne. Those guys might be too good. They could be looking down the line, "we'll keep getting corrupt or favorable refs and judges to keep Browne undefeated for a few more years, like usual with PBC, then his big fights will come against Caleb Plant, David Benavidez, and the other PBC guys at 168 once they move up to 175 in a few years."

Just like they kept Wilder away from an entire generation of top heavyweights so that he'd still be relevant when the next wave came around and they could cash in. It's just a cash in game to them, not a sport, and if that means you don't get to see your favorite light heavyweight Marcus Browne fight the other top light heavyweights of his era, they could not give two ****s about you or the sport, they don't care. That's why Ive been telling yall, wake the ***** up if you're real boxing fans and stop defending PBC.

[Boxing Logic]

By the way I think what's really going on here is Bivol's team probably knows the sanctioning bodies are out to screw him in favor of an American fighter. Bivol is WBA champ, yet they already made Browne regular WBA champ. Wasn't it also the WBA that then used that exact setup to steal Machado's belt and give it to an American PBC boxer at 130, Tank Davis?

So what's probably really going on here is, everyone knows Bivol wants to take a big fight at 168. So maybe Al and the WBA have a plan that if they just keep quiet, Bivol's team will think they're in the clear, and go down to 168, but then the moment the contracts are signed for Bivol's fight at 168, the WBA will order Bivol-Browne at 175 and use it to give Bivol's belt to Browne.

So maybe the reason Bivol's team are waiting endlessly on the WBA mandate, and going public, is to make it clear, "we're happy to get the Browne mando out of the way at 175 before we move down to 168, but if he doesn't want to fight us, let's get that on public record, and name us a mandatory who will, so we can get the mando out of the way before taking a big fight at 168."

See this is what people don't realize. The sport is corrupt. Just this situation is corrupt. People only look at things from the PBC perspective sometimes. "Well it's Browne's career. He should be able to waste everyone's time with a payday vs Jean Pascal 7 months into the year, when he should have already been onto his second fight of the year (Bivol). Bivol will do what's in the best interest of his career, so Browne should be able to do the same."

No, that's bull****. Because Bivol is the champion at 175, but what's in the best interest of his career is to test things out at 168 with a big fight as well, the way that Zurdo just did in reverse, yet he can't do that because he has a mandatory, except the mandatory won't fight him, yet the WBA still keeps him as the mandatory.

So it's basically like this:

Bivol is the champion. Browne is the mandatory. So far, it's all good. That's fair. Bivol, the champion, wants the mando ordered now. That's what a mandatory means. He wants it ordered now so he can move on with his career and go to 168 for a fight afterwards. Just IMO, Browne's side probably wants it ordered never, they prob just want the mandatory spot to use as leverage in his career to get more money fighting easier opponents, if I had to guess.

So there is a disagreement between champion, and mandatory. The champion wants it ordered now. The mando does not. The champion wants it ordered now in order to give fans the best fights at 175, and then move down to give fans more great fights at 168, and build his career in a foreign land. IMO the mandatory probably wants it ordered never so that he can avoid giving fans the best fights.

In this disagreement between champion and mando, between what's best for the sport and what's bad for the sport, who will the WBA side with? Well the American, of course. At least that's what it seems like always happens.

And so now, just like with GGG, just like with Lomachenko, Bivol's career, his MONEY, his legacy, all of it, have to be delayed and stalled and sacrificed in order to help a B-level PBC boxer with no fanbase who doesn't want to fight the best.

In what other sport are champions careers sacrificed in order to prop up B-level duckers? In what other sport are potential superstars careers sacrificed in order to prop up B-level duckers with very little star potential? It's a joke and the WBA's reputation deserves to be in the mud after the Tank-Machado situation already, but even more so if they don't order this mandatory immediately.

The non-corrupt way of arbitrating this situation is that after Browne beat Jack and was named WBA mandatory, the WBA should have immediately ordered the fight, and Browne could have chosen to take it next, instead of Pascal, or give his mandatory position to the next in line willing to actually take a title shot. Simple. Why didn't that happen???

[angkag]

By the way I think what's really going on here is Bivol's team probably knows the sanctioning bodies are out to screw him in favor of an American fighter...[/B]

This reminded me of the IBF middleweight rankings on this site:

https://box.live/boxing-rankings/

Pretty sure its a typo (at least I hope it is), but the No.1 ranking contender to Canelo's IBF middleweight crown is just an American flag lol.

[Sinbad]

Okay so Beterbiev had to take on mandatory Kalajdzic.
And now Bivol has to take on mandatory Browne.
And Kovalev propably has to take on mandatory Yarde.
And Gvozdyk a dark horse maybe?
Light heavies is boiling up pretty good with these good ******n boxers.
I put my money on Beterbiev before the smoke finally clears.

[DuckAdonis]

Damn everybody is avoiding Beterbiev smh :/

But I think Kovalev will fight him. Let's go!
War Kov!

[Boxing_1013]

By the way I think what's really going on here is Bivol's team probably knows the sanctioning bodies are out to screw him in favor of an American fighter. Bivol is WBA champ, yet they already made Browne regular WBA champ. Wasn't it also the WBA that then used that exact setup to steal Machado's belt and give it to an American PBC boxer at 130, Tank Davis?

So what's probably really going on here is, everyone knows Bivol wants to take a big fight at 168. So maybe Al and the WBA have a plan that if they just keep quiet, Bivol's team will think they're in the clear, and go down to 168, but then the moment the contracts are signed for Bivol's fight at 168, the WBA will order Bivol-Browne at 175 and use it to give Bivol's belt to Browne.

So maybe the reason Bivol's team are waiting endlessly on the WBA mandate, and going public, is to make it clear, "we're happy to get the Browne mando out of the way at 175 before we move down to 168, but if he doesn't want to fight us, let's get that on public record, and name us a mandatory who will, so we can get the mando out of the way before taking a big fight at 168."

See this is what people don't realize. The sport is corrupt. Just this situation is corrupt. People only look at things from the PBC perspective sometimes. "Well it's Browne's career. He should be able to waste everyone's time with a payday vs Jean Pascal 7 months into the year, when he should have already been onto his second fight of the year (Bivol). Bivol will do what's in the best interest of his career, so Browne should be able to do the same."

No, that's bull****. Because Bivol is the champion at 175, but what's in the best interest of his career is to test things out at 168 with a big fight as well, the way that Zurdo just did in reverse, yet he can't do that because he has a mandatory, except the mandatory won't fight him, yet the WBA still keeps him as the mandatory.

So it's basically like this:

Bivol is the champion. Browne is the mandatory. So far, it's all good. That's fair. Bivol, the champion, wants the mando ordered now. That's what a mandatory means. He wants it ordered now so he can move on with his career and go to 168 for a fight afterwards. Just IMO, Browne's side probably wants it ordered never, they prob just want the mandatory spot to use as leverage in his career to get more money fighting easier opponents, if I had to guess.

So there is a disagreement between champion, and mandatory. The champion wants it ordered now. The mando does not. The champion wants it ordered now in order to give fans the best fights at 175, and then move down to give fans more great fights at 168, and build his career in a foreign land. IMO the mandatory probably wants it ordered never so that he can avoid giving fans the best fights.

In this disagreement between champion and mando, between what's best for the sport and what's bad for the sport, who will the WBA side with? Well the American, of course. At least that's what it seems like always happens.

And so now, just like with GGG, just like with Lomachenko, Bivol's career, his MONEY, his legacy, all of it, have to be delayed and stalled and sacrificed in order to help a B-level PBC boxer with no fanbase who doesn't want to fight the best.

In what other sport are champions careers sacrificed in order to prop up B-level duckers? In what other sport are potential superstars careers sacrificed in order to prop up B-level duckers with very little star potential? It's a joke and the WBA's reputation deserves to be in the mud after the Tank-Machado situation already, but even more so if they don't order this mandatory immediately.

The non-corrupt way of arbitrating this situation is that after Browne beat Jack and was named WBA mandatory, the WBA should have immediately ordered the fight, and Browne could have chosen to take it next, instead of Pascal, or give his mandatory position to the next in line willing to actually take a title shot. Simple. Why didn't that happen???

I like your posts man but just some friendly advice - I think you have to get a little more to the point. Most people aren't going to read all of that, and I think you have some really good insights usually so it would be nice if that rubbed off on people on here.

I think you make a lot of sense with what is going on with Browne, the problem for him though is that he will never be recognized as a guy at 175 unless he beats one of those top 4 guys/someone else who has a real title at 175.

He gained some respect when he beat Jack, but if he keeps hiding instead of facing one of the top 4, especially if he is a mandatory, then he is basically relegating himself to irrelevance.

I can see your point for why they may want to wait it out, but it seems almost like a lose/lose, or even more of a losing proposition, to hide behind the regular belt and take lower level fights. He will never get any attention or respect that way imo.